How I Got Here: Randy Kaplan (Harry Chapin)

In my "How I Got Here" series, in which kindie artists talk about albums that influenced them as musicians, the musicians usually limit themselves to one or maybe two albums, but Randy Kaplan's admiration for Harry Chapin cannot be contained to a mere album or two.

In his essay below, Kaplan talks about Chapin's influence, from individual songs to individual meetings with the man himself.  Fans of Kaplan will definitely recognize the seeds of Kaplan's own performing style in what he remembers about Chapin's.

Kaplan's next family album, Jam on Rye, is released on June 1.


I was lucky to be given carte blanche over the many records and record players in my house growing up way out on that long, Long Island. There were my mother's 45s of Elvis Presley, The Platters, and Nervous Norvus; my father's LPs of Bob Dylan, Phil Ochs, and The Beatles; and my great-grandfather's 78s of Mozart, Beethoven, and Brahms. I could barely lift those multi-record symphony folders with my great-grandfather's Yiddish scrawled on the covers but I was able to memorize every Elvis song in the stack, A-sides and B-sides. Nervous Norvus was my first exposure to the novelty song and I took to the genre right off the bat. I listened to Mitch Miller, Pete Seeger, and the triple-LP Woodstock soundtrack too. But the biggest musical influence of my childhood was our hometown hero, Harry Chapin.

Harry was famous for his lengthy story songs. Sure, a lot of them are a bit corny, but Harry can pull off corny better than anyone. His music and lyrics are elaborate and complex and diverse and poetic and bittersweet. And sometimes very, very funny. I'm thinking of songs like "30,000 Pounds of Bananas" and "Six String Orchestra." And Harry and his bass player "Big" John Wallace were a veritable comedy team onstage when they wanted to be. I learned a lot about interacting with audiences of all ages from watching Harry live in concert.

My family and some other families in the neighborhood went to see Harry every time he performed in the vicinity. After every show he would mingle with and talk to his fans and offer to sign our record albums and posters. I once wrote to him just to say hello and to ask him when he'd be performing again. He sent a fairly long personal note back to me, which I hung on my corkboard (it didn't come down for decades). I remember one line in particular: "My next gig will be on December 3rd." That was the first time I'd ever encountered the word "gig." I've heard it and said it a million times since then!

My friend Nadine wrote a letter to Harry with a little bit more of an agenda. She asked him to come play a few songs at our elementary school. He obliged. My mother pulled some strings, got me backstage, and told Harry that I played guitar too. He shook my hand, flashed a smile, and told me to keep practicing. He then proceeded to do an entire show, unplugged, for the whole school. He even called Nadine up to the stage to sit next to him on the piano bench as he sang "Tangled Up Puppet."

Harry was generous, humble, charismatic, and accessible. My mother once ordered his book of poetry and lyrics, Looking...Seeing, but it never arrived in the mail. She said she was going to call Harry personally and tell him. My father made fun of her, laughing, "You think he's just listed in the phone book like a normal person?!" Well, he was listed. And when my mom called him, he answered the phone! She told him about the problem and he sent over an autographed copy of the book right away.

Now that I have a son and a family of my own, I try to keep the caveats of Harry's only #1 song, the mawkish yet magic "Cat's in the Cradle," in mind, caveats about what could happen if you don't spend enough quality time with your family. I don't travel anywhere near as much as Harry did (he was on the go non-stop!) but as a musician I have to be on the road at least sometimes. So whenever possible, my wife and son travel with me. And when they can't, there's Skype and FaceTime, so that helps.

After all this time, I'm still inspired by Harry's talent, generosity, enthusiasm, and great recordings (my favorites are Verities & Balderdash, Portrait Gallery, and Greatest Stories Live). I'm certainly glad to carry the mantle of the lengthy story song to the children and family music genre. Yes, I've rationalized more than a few indulgent song lengths by reminding myself of Harry's epic numbers!

Harry told me to keep practicing. And I did. That's how I got here.

Photo of Harry Chapin by Steve Stout from Harry Chapin.com

Video: "Marsupial" - Danny Weinkauf

Look at Danny Weinkauf, putting all that Kickstarter cash to good use, recruiting eg design to do the second video from his brand new album No School Today (out today!).  It's for "Marsupial," whose syncopated chorus nicely mimics the hopping motion of the kangaroos.  Even if the educational value of the song will go over the kids' heads (depending on the kid), they'll sing along on the chorus.  Not sure which marsupial that is shredding the guitar solo, though.

Danny Weinkauf - "Marsupial" [YouTube]

Steve 'n' SteveN: Reclusive, But A Little Awesome

How long have I been following the saga of Steve 'n' SteveN, the pairing of Steve Burns (from Blue's Clues) and Steven Drozd (from the Flaming Lips)?  Since their only website was a Myspace page.  Before then, even -- there was the awesomeness that was "I Hog The Ground".

So when I stumbled upon the brand-new Steve 'n' SteveN website WHICH FEATURED ALL THESE SONGS, PEOPLE!, I knew I wanted to shout (internet-wise).  I mean, how can anybody deny the made-of-awesome-and-win nature of this 3 1/2-year-old video?  They can, I guess -- there's no accounting for taste -- but I think it's beautiful.

But look at the timestamps of those items-- 2007, 2010.  Let's state it plainly, this album is the Chinese Democracy of kindie (the obvious reference), which is why the establishment of the new website was such big news.  Finally, we can listen to the whole album in all its psychedelic trappings.  And by "we," I mean you -- just click here, it'll open up a new window, press play, then come back.

It's OK, I'll wait.

Now, then, I'm sure you'll agree that there are some awesome sure-fire pop hits and some... less sure-fire pop hits.  (I'm looking at you, the 6:37 "The Itsy Bitsy Spider Suite.")  And if you scroll through this page, you'll see more of the weirdness this project entails.

The frustrating thing is that this album has been completed since 2008.  In this interview with Rocksucker, Drozd says that once the album was complete...

"Steve thought that since I’m in The Flaming Lips and Scott Booker’s my manager and I have Grammies, I think he thought, “This will happen, Steven knows what he’s doing.” And at the same time I thought, “Steve Burns, he’s kind of a big star and knows a lot of people in all the industries. Surely he can get something going.” So I think both of us were waiting for the other to do something!"

So, yeah, six years later and this album is only now available for streaming?  Grrrrr....  It's not like Burns has been totally silent -- he appeared at Kindiefest 2012 and they've filmed some live-action stuff for more videos -- but whatever efforts they've put forth thus far have been for naught in terms of spreading these tunes more aggressively through the world.  On the other hand, I've not yet heard back from my attempt to contact them, so I suspect we may have a little while longer to wait... And, really, at this point, after six years, what's a little more time?

Interview: Walter Martin

It's not rare these days for a musician who's made their living making music for adults to try their hand at making music for kids.  Nor is it rare for bands to break up and have the individual members release solo albums.

Combining those two?  That's way more unusual.  But it's exactly that path that Walter Martin has chosen.  In the wake of the "extreme hiatus" of The Walkmen, which he'd played in since helping to found the band in 2000, Martin, the father of 2 young kids, decided to release an album of family music, the delightful We're All Young Together, which will be released on May 13 (you can pre-order on iTunes, pre-order on vinyl, or pre-order the old-school CD).  We chatted by phone last week about his musical memories, his decision to record music for families, and why it's hard for a lot of 25-year-olds to write music for kids.


Zooglobble: What are your first musical memories?

Walter Martin:  I have a very vague recollection of listening to my parents' Pete Seeger records.  But I'm not sure if that's something I invented after the fact -- I have those records now.

I remember going on long car trips over Spring Break, listening to the Beatles' greatest hits collections -- you know those, the red and blue ones?

Yeah, one was, like '62 through '65 and the other '66 through '70, or something like that?

Yes, those.  I wasn't a big enough fan yet and I thought it was one guy doing lots of different voices -- "why does Ringo sound so different on 'A Little Help from my Friends'?"

Were your parents musical in terms of playing music, or just big fans?

Both, I guess.  My mother's mother, who died before I was born, was a kids' music teacher.  She passed down piano playing skills to my mom.  My dad didn't play an instrument, but he was a big rock 'n' roll fan -- so was my mom.

You've been making music for -- I haven't done the math, but it must for more than half your life...

[Pauses] I think it's two-thirds, actually.  Stewart [Lupton] and I -- we started our previous band, Jonathan Fire*Eater -- we took guitar lessons together.  We sang "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" by The Clash at a girl's 12th birthday party.  Matt [Barrick] joined us in 7th grade -- it's really all I've ever done.

When The Walkmen went on hiatus, you obviously had to think about what to do next, and while recording a solo album is an obvious choice, making that album a family album is not.  What led you to do this?

Like a lot of people, when you're in your mid-30s, you need to think about what you'll be doing in your 40s -- what is Plan B?  After our last [Walkmen] album Heaven, I knew that I wanted to do a record of my own.  I wrote lots of different things, "Walkmen"-y things.  But after I wrote the first couple songs that ended up on this record, I knew, that's me.

What were your musical inspirations in writing and recording We're All Young Together?

While I was focusing on the writing, I was hanging around the house in the kitchen a lot.  We listen to '50s rock, tons of that.  It had a very "light" tone, and I thought, why don't I make music like this?  Stuff like the Coasters, or Lieber & Stoller.  Or Jonathan Richman -- his solo stuff is whimsical and sweet.  His cool Modern Lovers persona goes out the window, and he's singing a song about a flower.

Is it the innocence and lack of cynicism that draws you to that type of music?

Yeah, the innocence is hugely appealing.  It appeals to the carefree side, which I think is valuable.  I've been surrounded by brainy and serious music.  The innocence [in those '50s songs] makes you want to listen with your family.  Also, at the end of the night, it's what you put on at a party -- it's got a great dance beat, everybody wants to dance to it.

Were there differences in the recording process for this new album compared to your prior ones?

For the first Walkmen album, we had just started our own recording studio, so we were figuring out equipment and our own music.  So it was not a great technical recording.  For this album, I tied to rerecord some of the first kids' tracks and it totally lost its spark.  I wanted the recording to be tied to the personalities.

You have a lot of guest artists [Karen O from the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Matt Beringer from the National, and more] from the indie rock world on the album -- was it hard to convince them to join you?

No.  When I sent them e-mails, I told them that I was attempting to make the sweetest, funniest family record ever -- set the bar high, right?  But everybody was into it.  In fact, I think it was probably easier than if I wanted to make an "indie rock" record, be all like "I'm Mr. Cool Guy, come hang with me."  That would've been lame.  That might have made sense when I was 22, but now...

Yeah, I think there's something about setting aside the need to be "cool" that is hard to do at 25 and much easier at 35 that may make it harder to write family music for a lot of people at the age of 25.

That's why I asked who I did to be on the album.  They're into a different thing now.

I'm going to ask a questions that's probably on the list of Top 10 Most Annoying Questions asked of musicians, but do you have a favorite song from the album?

I really like "Hey Sister." 

On the album, some are funny, and some are sweet.  I tried to make the funny songs sweet, and the sweet songs funny, but I think on "Hey Sister" it's a perfect blend.

It's a great track -- the chemistry comes through.

Kat Edmonson, who sings with me, I love her voice.  I sort of sound like Elmer Fudd, but she's great.

Changing gears a bit, I'm curious about your perceptions of the world of kids music before you started and what you think now.

I really knew nothing about kids music before starting this.  I had albums from Burl Ives, Woody Guthrie, that Johnny Cash children's album.  But it was just mixed in with the rest of my music, and didn't know any albums.  So when I started on the album, I did some research, and immediately found Dan Zanes.  He lived in Brooklyn, played old songs on real instruments, started after his daughter was born -- there were just so many parallels with me.  But I haven't done that much research -- I've now got 2 kids under the age of 21 months, so...

Any favorites among those old kids music albums?

That Woody Guthrie album, Songs to Grow On [For Mother and Child] -- it's so off-key, but like I said before, that's fine.  It's so great, so funny, and it's so in line with his other stuff.

The Johnny Cash Children's Album is more thrown together, maybe 3 new songs along with other songs recorded elsewhere, but that song -- "I Got a Boy and His Name Is John" -- it's so great and funny and sweet.

Do you have a musical house?

Oh, there's a lot of music playing constantly on all the floors.  We listen endlessly.  I think it's rubbed off on my older daughter.  She likes "Goober Peas," from Burl Ives.  She's just learned to talk, so she calls "Aba Daba Honeymoon," "Aba Baba Honeymoon."  She also likes this Ella Jenkins album we got after we started the kids music process.

We definitely sing with our kids -- my wife probably sings more to them than I do.  We've got lots of instruments -- it's a loud house, I don't know how our neighbors stand it.

Would you think about doing another family music album?

If people like this, then... when I play this for close friends like the other members of The Walkmen, or my parents, they realize that this is me.  It's what I really want to do.  I've already written another album, I just need to record it.

You know, there are other kids music artists who made music for adults for which this started maybe as a lark, but once they started it, they realized it was their true calling.  Dan Zanes, for example, passing out cassettes in a New York City park.  Or Chris Ballew, who several times, has talked about his work writing songs for preschoolers as Caspar Babypants as being his best songwriting work, what he wants to do even as he occasionally does Presidents of the United States of America stuff.  It's possible.

That's exactly how I feel.  There's a lot more creativity than I've had in the past.  People think there are more limits with this, but I feel like there are more limits with adult rock and roll.  You can ditch the "cool factor."

That's definitely one of the things that keeps it interesting.  There are so many more subjects available to sing and write about.

When I realized that, it was really exciting.  I can write a song about a tiger, and a love song, and both at once.  I'm really into it -- it's very creative.

Monday Morning Smile: "The Importance of Kindness" - George Saunders

Unlike the last time I posted a clip that set the words of a commencement speech to some interesting visuals, this clip is a fully vetted and authorized one.  It's a small portion of George Saunders' commencement speech at Syracuse University in May 2013.  The fact that it's essentially an advertisement for a book version of that speech makes it no less beautiful and thought-provoking in the way all good commencement speeches should be.

Weekly Summary (4/21/14 - 4/27/14)

OK, a little more productive this week.  Me, anyway, on the site.  Don't know about you, or your kids.  Of course, a productive week on the site might make it a less productive (albeit it more enjoyable) week for your family.

BlogVideo: "Prefix or Suffix?" - The Bazillions, World Premiere Video: "Daylight" - The Dream Jam Band, Video: "A Fact Is a Gift That You Give Your Brain" - Steve 'n' SteveN, Radio Playlist: New Music April 2014Listen To This: Vol. 4 (La Educación) - minimúsica (Various Artists)

Videos:  "Go Fire Truck, Go" - Suzi Shelton

Listen to Music:  None this week

Free Music:  "Who Grew My Soup?" - Story Laurie

Kids Music Reviews:   None this week

iOS Apps:  Drawnimal - Lucas Zanotto

Upcoming Releases: Constantly updating...

Podcasts

Kindie Week in Review:   Ep. 58: This Podcast Is a Gift That You Give Your Brain

My Other Other Gig:  None this week

Bake Sale:  None this week